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Hidden ball trick, where is the pitcher allowed to be and not to be.

by Brian G
(McMinnville )

Fix Your Eye On The Ball From The Moment The Pitcher Holds It In His Glove.  Follow It As He Throws To The Plate And Stay With It Until The Play Is Completed.  Action Takes Place Only Where The Ball Goes.(Umpire Bill Klem)  True Back In The Day And True Today!

Fix Your Eye On The Ball From The Moment The Pitcher Holds It In His Glove. Follow It As He Throws To The Plate And Stay With It Until The Play Is Completed. Action Takes Place Only Where The Ball Goes.(Umpire Bill Klem) True Back In The Day And True Today!

Brian Asked: We had a team try the ole hidden ball trick on us.

The pitcher was on the mound and in the rubber when it was executed.

The ump called it a ball and awarded us the extra base.

The question is, where can the pitcher be and not be during such an attempt at deception?


Rick answered: Brian, thank you for your question.

Rule 6.02(a) Comment(Rule 8.05 Comment): Umpires should bear in mind that the purpose of the balk rule is to prevent the pitcher from deliberately deceiving the base runner.

If there is doubt in the umpire's mind, the "intent" of the pitcher should govern. However, certain specifics should be borne in mind: (A) Straddling the pitcher's rubber without the baseball is to be interpreted as intent to deceive and ruled a balk.

I was taught that, as a base runner, you don't get into your lead until the pitcher steps on the rubber. I have always taught it as such. The reasoning is, even if the pitcher does have the ball, without contact with the rubber, he has no restrictions to his movements.

Base runners adhering to this rule can not be tricked.

Although I was unable to locate it written in the rules, I believe the pitcher cannot be on the dirt of the mound, without the baseball.

With your scenario, the call should have been a balk, runners advance 1 base.

The umpire got the penalty correct, just off on the terminology.

The way the rule is written, a base runner should never be caught in a hidden ball trick. If you don't step off into your lead, until the pitcher steps on the rubber, they can only get you with a legal pickoff move.

Yours in baseball,

Rick




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Oct 22, 2018
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Hidden Ball clarification NEW
by: Craig08

We had a scenario with a runner at 2nd. The batter was hit by the pitch and took his base. The catcher threw back to the pitcher and the coaches came out and talked to the pitcher. I assume during the conversation that the pitcher handed the ball to the shortstop. Take in mind that time is still called. Everyone leaves the mound and goes to their position. The ump has not said play ball because the pitcher has not returned to the mound. The second base runner steps off base and the ss tags him and he is called out. Is this the right call? I say, no because the ump had not resumed play but his reason was that the pitcher never returned to the mound so the ss can tag him out. Dont forget the game is not back in play yet.

Mar 06, 2018
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Rulebook
by: Anonymous

Why if the rule says he can not be on or astride the rubber does everybody believe he can't be on the dirt? I tell my players the same because you never know what umpires call what...but if you got the rulebook ready i would get on the dirt lol

Jun 23, 2017
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It's easier to say where the pitcher CAN'T be.
by: Jim (Phoenix, AZ)

Simply put, the pitcher must be on the field but OFF the mound (including any dirt area that is part of the mound).

Jun 23, 2017
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Still no real definition where the pitcher has to be on hidden ball
by: Anonymous

Where does the pitcher have to be, still no answer! !!!

Oct 07, 2015
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May 19, 2015
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Balk
by: Brian G

He did call it a balk, I miss typed. I had heard they were unable to be on the mound without the ball also. We also teach the runners not to take their lead until the pitcher is on the rubber and our runner did so. It was a strange situation and hit heated quickly as the other coach did not understand the rules. I had never heard this rule myself honestly.

May 19, 2015
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I remember something similar in a movie
by: Jim

In the 1992 movie "Mr. Baseball" with Tom Selleck, Selleck plays first base while relegated to a Japanese team. In the scene, Selleck's character apparently slams the ball back into the pitcher's glove and says, "Trust me." The pitcher walks AROUND the mound (as if psyching himself up for the next batter) and ignoring the runner at first while Selleck nonchalantly goes back to first and takes up his position. The runner begins to take a lead and Selleck tags him. All the while the pitcher had stayed off the mound.
I know it's a movie (and in Japan) and liberties are taken in movies; but I think the scene holds true to the spirit and intent of the actual rules. In short, for the hidden ball ploy to work according to any rules, the pitcher must stay off the mound.

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